CH 91 Something Different

Hi guys, hold onto your hats, this chapter was written by both of us together!

For those of you that have followed us over the years, there is a married gay couple that go way back with us. In fact, there is a Back Page that they wrote, and we posted for them. They are Sam and Johnny. Larry and I were both copied on a very long and personal letter from them written by Sam, and we wanted to respond, but upon reflection thought that we should respond together in one email jointly, and then thought perhaps that concept might make a very interesting chapter from the both of us. I guess some of you will let us know one way or the other.

I’ll post snippets from Sam’s very long letter and then we will attempt to answer or respond appropriately. Sam told me that he often copies our posts so he can make notations in the margins as he reads them. That idea about blew me away when I heard it, but it melted my heart to know our words could do that for him. He does make mention of margin notes in his letter, which certainly backs up his words to me. Just a couple of more words before we get into this almost “Question and Answer” chapter. We cherry picked lines of text from his letter to us, and I copied and pasted them into a MS Word document first and shared a copy to Larry on the OneDrive Cloud. We are both in our office writing together, Larry writing his comments on his laptop, me on mine. We can see each others edits as we type. Since Sam was covering many of our chapters in his letter, I found subject areas that made more sense to group together. You’ll see headings suggesting content which were our ideas not Sam’s.

That was a lot of work, but out of love for you guys who have followed us for all the years. Sam’s words will be in a different font face if your browser allows that feature.

SO LET’S GET STARTED

[Sam & Johnny] First off, Marcus, my thanks to you for your speedy reply to my message sent out yesterday.  I didn’t expect an answer from either of you for at least a full day.

[Marcus] We both respond as soon as possible to anyone writing to us, it is something I wanted from the very start of the blog. Moreover, putting the email away is a great way to forget it’s there and there goes my idea of staying in touch with our readers. I can speak for Larry here since he accepted my concept of communication right from day one of his chapters.

[Sam & Johnny] Larry, I remember one time when I’d been especially blue and reached out to you two for “advice” … what the hell advice I wanted, I didn’t know myself.  In your reply, you called me “sweet man” and, coming from you, that truly touched my heart.

[Larry] Sam I love getting emails from the guys who read my stuff, but I love it more when I get to read personal information from them and you too buddy, maybe I could have an opinion you might like to hear from me. That makes me feel awesome inside and that’s super cool!

[Marcus] I agree with Larry, which works for me as well. Sam you also mentioned not always staying in touch as in “ghosting us” at times. Trust us on this, we have answered tons of fan letters over the years, some guys continue writing to us, and others fade off. We never know if we lost them, or they just don’t have anything to say about the story at the time of reading. That’s okay, there have been many stories I’ve read online myself and did the same, sometimes life just gets in the way. It’s about my only excuse for the moment.

[Sam & Johnny] Marc, I’m so glad you enjoyed the conversational tone I used.  Like you said, you and Larry have both been working on using “face-to-face” language in your BGR posts and it shows…bigtime!  I used it with you fellas because, however imperfectly, it helps me to feel like I AM really there with the both of you “shootin’ the shit” and laughing…and maybe sometimes getting a bit misty-eyed, too, but in a good way.

[Larry] Ya I like what Marc taught me long ago, just picture someone sitting across from me when I write a chapter and it will be easier that way. It really works too. See you liked it too. I can tell when I read your letters that you are trying to be one of the guys like us, and not try to be something you’re not.

[Sam & Johnny] Marc, I also wanted to let you – and you, too, Larry – know that your words have been not only kind and supportive but have also been really therapeutic for me in that they help remind me of things that are positive, noteworthy, etc. in my own life and life experiences when I get down on myself.

[Marcus] That is always a big plus for me, and Larry as well. We have the best guys in the world reading our stuff and we get a lot of support from them often, especially when we really need it.

[Sam & Johnny] With all your successes in life, you and your man – Marcus, that is - seem like really down-to-earth, genuine kinda guys and I can’t tell you enough how happy I am that you found each other, that I met you and, most of all, that you’ll soon be “husband and husband” like Johnny and me.  Don’t guess I need to tell you men what a wonderful day your wedding day will be for you both!

[Marcus] I’ve always felt, even from day one, that Mark and Al were about as normal as two normal guys could be. It didn’t take long for our humor to get a little horny, that’s pretty normal I think. And I never really discussed my exact job until it became necessary to talk about it. I could see Mark judging me on the size of my house and the grounds, he had to know I held an important job. And after being invited to attend some of the parties that Pop threw here, and the size of the crowds, I had to fill him in. I just worried that he might think he didn’t fit in to my lifestyle and would just fade off into the sunset. Well the sun does set in the direction of his house, haha.

[Larry] I can’t lie about my feelings after meeting Al. I really liked him, and I thought he was so handsome, in an “Italian” way. You guys know I’m into Italian everything, right? But I did think I was the normal guy who didn’t belong in this neighborhood at all. I’m from South Sacramento not Granite Bay, it was Ellen and Lisa who got us up here. If you only know how much more it costs to live here than where we came from, it’ll blow your mind. Ellen got a big promotion and a big salary increase and she couldn’t wait to start spending it. But now that we know about Lisa and Ellen from long ago, I know why we are here. Ya, according to us, we are just normal guys who make good money for once in our lives.

[Sam & Johnny] Speaking of Granite Bay, I hope you guys know I’m not a stalker, but I looked it up in Google Maps and got a map, of course, but also got some pictures as well.  Looks like really pretty country where you men are, but I’d somehow gotten the impression when you guys had mentioned GB in BGR before that it was a suburb of Sacramento and no more than, say 10 miles from downtown.   Looks like it’s more like 20-25 miles out?

[Marcus] I’ll handle this one. At first I did my best to not use our exact location, I don’t know maybe I was afraid of who might use that against us. And, let’s face it, we do live in a very private secured place close to Folsom Lake and well forested. I might have misled some of you in earlier chapters about the miles, but I do believe it’s around 23 miles at a minimum to downtown Sacramento, and a lot of commuting time. There are freeways and local roads that will get us to the city though.

[Sam & Johnny] I’d like to do that very thing one day with my kinda shy Johnny Bear by my side. I’m more than a bit of an exhibitionist – and a voyeur too, I guess - so having a cuppa joe with you guys without a stitch on wouldn’t bother me at all but it’d be a bit more work getting Johnny to bare all.

[Marcus] Haha, I could do that now, probably not so much as a few years ago, right Larry?

[Larry] IDK Sweetbabes, I think you started that shit around here, I joined the fun only a few years ago. Ya, I know why because you were alone and who’d see anyway.

GAY IS THE THEME NOW

[Sam & Johnny] At times since then, he’s pointed out other men to me who were giving me the once over when we were out and about.  There’s been the guy who eyed me up and down while holding the door open for me at QuikTrip or the cute, furry young cub grocery shopping in Sprouts that I pointed out to Johnny one day.  When I asked him what he thought of the cub, he came back with “Oh, he’s cute alright, but he’s been checking YOU out, too!”  More points for the old guy’s self-esteem / body image, ha-ha!

[Larry] I was kinda that guy myself, I never really looked around to notice, it was Marcus trying to convince me that I was better looking than I thought I was. Ya, cool it Marc I know what you are about to say next.

[Marcus] What? How do you know what I’m thinking. Oh yeah, I’m an open book around you lately. See what happens to you when you spend 24/7 with each other for a few years! Haha. At least you know now that you are going to be somebodies eye-candy. At least you are my eye-candy!

[Sam & Johnny] I’ve recently asked him about going to another all-male, clothing optional resort / campground, this one in Missouri that’s up for sale soon, and his answer was something along the lines of “I will…FOR YOU!” my answer to him was just a quiet, resigned SIGH.  Oh well, we may be a devoted couple but, like you both have said about yourselves in BGR before, we are still different people.

[Marcus] I’ll take this one first. I’ve been wanting to go to a nude beach with Larry and he was the one that stalled or found excuses. Well we do have the best “clothing NOT optional” backyard!

[Larry] Ya I think you got that one backwards, it’s been me trying to get you out that way. But you go get sick or need a new knee or some other lame excuse! Hahah, don’t hit me! Don’t you’ll be sorry!

[Sam & Johnny] Just one more thing I wanted to tell you about, Marc, that I’m hoping will help with any remaining misgivings you might have about coming-out.  I’m hoping it’ll also give you both a chuckle, too!

[Marcus] Lay it on me Sam!

[Sam & Johnny] I have a straight friend, Ed, who I met a work maybe 11 or 12 years ago. Ed was always talking to me about how I should come down to Tulsa to visit this or that special event with him. He mentioned us hitting a weekly outdoor live-music event and tried to entice me with the fine-looking, scantily clad women.  You know what I mean…”This one chick had the most beautiful tits that she barely kept covered…” or “She was bent over talking to her boyfriend and her shorts were so short her ass was almost totally exposed…”

[Marcus] I think that speaks to both Larry and myself, go on.

[Sam & Johnny] I kept declining his offers politely until finally I came out to him in an office email.  He was okay with “having a gay friend now” – lookin’ at you, Marcus - and we continued our weekly lunch breaks and weekend “buddy activities” in and around Tulsa.  

[Larry] Sounds like Sam has his own “I gotta gay friend now” like your JD, Sweetbabes.

[Sam & Johnny] Fast forward a year or so to Johnny and me getting together and Ed was a bit skittish about meeting his gay buddy’s new boyfriend.

Ed glanced over at me and jokingly asked Johnny something like “What the hell do you wanna be with this guy, anyway?  Johnny chuckled and said, “I guess, it helps to be crazy, huh?”  I barked back “Hey SHUT UP, turd-bucket!” at Ed and we all had a good laugh.  As we said our goodbyes and were heading out to the car, Ed held me back for a second and said “Ya done a great job, Sam.  John’s a good guy and I’m really happy for ya.”

Anyway, we’ve both since become pretty fast friends as a couple with Ed and have invited him with us on several different day trips which usually included looking for a good place to stop for lunch. 

[Marcus] I’m glad I wrote about JD and my follow up with him. I really took a big weight off my shoulders, but I still have lingering thoughts about the coming out totally thing. I did pick the one friend I just had the strongest feeling that would support me, and he did, in a big way. Even flipping me off while laughing and driving away, said volumes to me. I haven’t written much more about him or how it’s going between us. So, I’ll say it here, it hasn’t changed anything between us. We are still old friends.

[Larry] I watched Marc go through hell for a while over the JD thing from our date night out until he had the meeting with him without me. Marc has big balls and he showed it that day, I see where he said he picked his old friend to come out to, I’d be scared to do that myself. What if I lost him as a friend. Ya, my man has big balls; he really does you know! Hahah! See Marc, that’s where you say “thanks, but you do too!”

[Sam & Johnny] I’m so fuckin’ proud of my Johnny Bear!  That man is one class act and I’m so lucky to have him!  And I so love calling him my husband OUT LOUD – even when just picking up his scrips at the pharmacy!  Never thought I’d ever be that kinda bold about being openly gay, especially anywhere in Oklahoma.

[Marcus] I didn’t get to put all of Sam’s words here, but I got the impression of what he was attempting to say. Don’t be afraid to tell the world of your love for your man. I have been getting much better lately, I think Larry will agree with me on this.

[Larry] Yes you have Sweetbabes, and I love it. I know what you are going through right now, and I can wait for you. But I’m not afraid to stand on a chair and yell out how much I love you! Now that I’ve said that watch him make me do that one day. Does use your imagination work here? Yikes!

[Sam & Johnny] His question about when you guys changed and how it happened pretty much echoes the questions I had when I first started reading your BGR posts.  Marcus, you mentioned having had encounters with a few men before you and Larry ever met, but it sounds like they left you feeling “empty”.  On the other hand, Larry, your posts sounded to me like your lake trip with Marc in March 2019 was your first ever encounter with another guy.  Is that true?  If so, I can see how puzzling it was to Joe.

[Marcus] Sam there was a time between my two marriages that I used to try and understand my attraction to men. I had an equal attraction to beautiful women as well, does that make me BI? I hate labels now; they are just words that don’t always mean they are correct. Yes, I found myself at a gay bar more than once, a section of a nude beach that gay men frequent, looking for sex. One way or the other I was going to find out what this thing I have nagging at me is all about. I remember at least three encounters where I was left hanging after I got them off, they were gone! If only I had met someone who was willing to get me off first, I’m sure I would have tried to get them off, and if so, maybe I would have chosen not to act straight any longer. 

I’ve always been visually attracted to some men; must I say that blonde men hit the top of the list? I’ve not been overly attracted to muscle men, but hairy ones, watch out here I (cum)! Sound anything like anyone you know around here. I’d like to say that Mark never had the chance, but you all know that’s not true, he had several years to disappear if he was scared.

[Larry] Another good question. I’m gonna say this and probably sound dumb as a rock or something, I’d had two sex partners in my life. Don’t laugh, it’s true. Ellen because she was my first and only girlfriend that I married too young, and Marcus. I should say Al because I never knew about Marcus until much later. Al was the best fuck I ever had! Should I take that out Sweetbabes, kinda strong huh. But you are the best baby. Maybe because I fantasized about having sex with him for so many years. I guess it coulda gone all wrong and I’d be back to finding a new fantasy to get off with. Maybe because we are guys, and we know what we like, and we know what gets us off. It’s a lot easier with Marc than it was with Ellen, and he doesn’t get a headache and go to bed early. At least not yet! Hahah. I think we are better in bed today than we ever were, but those nights when we snuck around the backyard trying to get each other off without making noise, fucking awesome. I don’t know why we don’t try doing that anymore. I know we have a bedroom now!

[Sam & Johnny] I came out to my ex-wife after we’d been married a little over 18 years and had three kids together.  She filed for divorce within a week’s time but, after she filed for divorce, she asked me how long I’d known I was gay.  When I told her I’d always known I was somehow different from other boys, but that it wasn’t until I hit puberty that I began to realize that that difference involved me being physically attracted to other guys instead of girls.  I didn’t tell her how many other women I’d been with and damn sure didn’t tell her how many men I’d been with, either!  Of course, she asked me why, if I’d known I was gay all along, did I marry her.  That’s when I gave her the standard “I thought I could change” answer.

I guess your realization that you’re gay after 36 years of marriage to Ellen had you even more puzzled than I ever was about myself, eh, Larry?

[Larry] I guess you know there was a difference with us, our wives have been messing around with each other for years behind our backs. The even took a “business” trip to Santa Barbara, CA and it was just to be together. They lied to both of us talking about conferences and other shit to cover themselves. Like I’m gonna care what they think about Marc and me together after we found out. Ya but that also makes it easier for us to be together since they want the same thing. Soon they will be living downtown in the loft they bought which is still under construction. I think it’s almost ready for them and then we won’t be seeing them much anymore. Maybe Marc will see Lisa more, but I don’t think that’s gonna happen between Ellen and me

[Marcus] I have heard some rumbles about Larry and Ellen’s place being sold and good old Pops name got into the conversation at the time. There might be some future news on that front. Interesting.

MOVING ON UP TO SEX

[Sam & Johnny] Most importantly for my own self-esteem and body image, guys, has been the support of the man I love so much.  Every time we’re lovemaking, he’ll rub his [?] through the hair on my belly and chest and tell me how I’m the sexiest man he’s ever been with and how he loves my body.  And that’s even been 80 pounds ago when I was “Moby Sam”!  He also tells me regularly how much he loves my cock…even when “Pedro” is just a chubby! 

 

[Larry] Okay, see you missed a word there, so we put a [?] in there for you. I think it was his dick and Marc thinks it was your hand. See I’d be rubbing my dick there myself. Hahah, no really!

[Marcus] I should say something about that, but he would, and has! My man doesn’t lie about what he can do with his dick. You asked for it babe, I tell it like it is just like you.

[Sam & Johnny] Larry, I also liked your remark about a lot of your other friends being up there “right up there under Marc” and how you backtracked and said you were the only one who could be under Marc.  Cute ‘n’ sexy, my friend!

[Larry] You got me on that one. After I read what I wrote all I could see was Marc on top of guys doing you know what! But I thought it was funny even though I wasn’t going for funny at the time. Now you know how my mind goes at times.

[Sam & Johnny] Damn, you scored on the “sexy meter” again, Larry, when you mentioned your mid-hike cuddle together, your gently grabbing Marc by the balls as he was helping you up and then your popping them into your mouth!  You bested yourself my friend, when you talked about walking back to cabin, sometimes with your arms around each other, sometimes holding hands and sometimes just goofing off.  Damn, I’m having a really hard time picturing you guys walking back to the cabin WITHOUT raging hard-ons all the way.  Another pun again…sorry.  When you continued your talk with Joe about how you and Marc spent a lotta time sucking each other’s dicks but wanted to save your cum for your shower fuck “real sex”.  I coulda just about cum in my shorts then and there!

[Larry] Wow, you make me feel like I’m as good a writer as old Marcus, he wrote about that before I did, but he wasn’t too far off, I guess you could tell huh. You know it’s been over 4 years ago now; I have good memories of the time as much as Marc, and I know I couldn’t wait to get back to the cabin, but I can only guess if we had boners all the way back or not. Maybe Marc remembers more, he has this elephant brain for memory.

[Marcus] I don’t think either of us will ever forget that trip, but there was a lot of grief afterwards. Not with our wives, just us and how we were going to get the time together again. I know when I wrote about the trip, I kept wondering how far I should go telling the story. I wasn’t planning on making the story all about us, just a couple of guys finding out how much they loved each other when they were allowed to be alone together. The journal idea came after the first chapters were uploaded and some guys wrote to us asking if we would consider continuing the story of our new found love. (Make that horniness!)

Thankfully, we planned another trip to Big Sur shortly after where we cemented the relationship we have today. But it was still difficult finding time together afterwards and gave me a lot more to write about.

[Sam & Johnny] The story of your first “buddy-on-buddy” encounters at the lake is so much hotter to me than any erotic story you could’ve ever written, Marc…way, way hotter!  It’s so hot, because it’s TRUE, but it’s even hotter because it’s the culmination of close to 8 years of friendship and happened right as you both were having fears and doubts about the future of that friendship.  Most of all your story is so hot because of how it grew beyond friendship and mutual physical attraction to the REAL love – emotional AND physical - of two real, masculine men for each other!  Yeah, guys, I’m the kinda man who’s attracted to men who look and act sexy and masculine…can you blame me?

[Marcus] Nope! Me too! Thanks for the kind words about what I wrote about long ago. Obviously, what we felt back then was true and long lasting, may I present exhibit A, us.

[Larry] You know I didn’t get to read that until much later, and even then it was only from his MS Word document without pictures, ya, those hot pictures I never saw until after we got home. I’d go into the room I called my “Man cave,” the only room in the house were Ellen stay away from, behind my back, who knows. I saw the chapters with the pictures and about cum in my pants! I was so horny after reading a few chapters, I had to take care of business. Good thing I keep a box of tissues in there. But when I saw a picture that looked a lot like me, I wasn’t so happy anymore. Old Al, I wasn’t calling him Marcus yet, talked me into calming down and convinced me that no one could possibly know it was me in the story. Well that changed over the years, huh.

[Sam & Johnny] Anyway, Larry, as I continued reading about your talk with Joe, I came to the part where you mentioned how you loved being touched but Ellen, not so much.  When it came to Joe saying he bet Al didn’t have a problem touching you and you answered, “Al can’t keep his hands off of me, and I love it!”, I really loved that part and wrote “Same here!!” in the margin.  Larry and Marcus, I know this goes without saying, but you men should ALWAYS treasure that part of your relationship!

[Larry] If I had to pick one thing that I love the most about us, and that would be hard to do, since I love everything, but touching is right up on top of my list. I spent too many years without knowing how being touched by someone who loved me felt. I could touch myself, and have done, but it’s not the same as from Marc’s touch. He makes me feel it’s okay to be me, just the way I am. Ya, I always forget to write about how much I love touching him, not just his “man parts.” He has the sexiest chest and legs, now I wrote something about that!

[Marcus] I am so lucky to have Larry as a partner, I probably could write a ton about how much I enjoy running my hands over his furry body. I am serious about that, and since that was never a part of his sexual being, I’m delighted to be the one doing it for him. It never gets old for me. And even though I have been touched by my wives, it’s nothing like being touched by a man who knows what he wants from me. I think you can figure that one out easily.

[Sam & Johnny] I think I’ve always been a bit of an exhibitionist, but it really took my man to really bring it out in me despite the fact that he’s not.   How about you, Larry?  I guess I need look no further than the part about how you were first to “git nekkid” when you, Marc, Ellen, and Lisa got home from Marc’s birthday dinner.  Sounds like maybe you’ve always been a bit of an exhibitionist too, my friend, whether you know it or not!

[Larry] I know more about that time now than when it happened. Anyhow, it was long after our trips and we spent a lotta time after dark in his pool about as “nekkid” as it gets. I think it was a race to see who could ditch the clothes the fastest back then, hahah. I wish I could tell you where the courage came from to get naked in front of the wives like I did. Maybe I was trying to show them that there was a real connection happening between us, IDK. Maybe because I knew all three of them had more wine in them than they needed and weren’t feeling any pain. I don’t drink, that wasn’t my excuse. Anyway, old Marc was the next to do it and he tried to entertain everyone and almost blew it. We all laughed and then we told our wives to get naked themselves, it was fun, and why were they waiting. Sometimes stuff just happens like that and it’s awesome.

[Marcus] Back when Larry was just my buddy Mark, he’d never be the first to strip naked, even in front of me, and that’s well covered in the blog. By the time of the birthday reveal, I had convinced him that he was a gorgeous hunk and stop hiding it from everyone. Also, Lisa had made it known often that she thought he was a hunk and was into furry men with muscles. Too bad Ellen didn’t get a clue from her comments. Not too bad, good for me! That would be the only thing I can think of to explain how we all got naked for the first time together. However, it was not the last, it was the first of many times together.

[Sam & Johnny] I’ve always enjoyed the story of how Marc just summarily flopped his dick out of his pants in your truck on the way to the lake, Larry.  Of course, your first time naked in front of each on the hike makes for “stimulating” reading, too!  Another thing that puzzles me, though, given what Marc has always said about how sexy and attractive you are, is how you ever even doubted your own desirability.  I guess it all goes back to first your having been picked on as a skinny kid combined with Ellen always riding you about shaving your body, too?

[Marcus] I did get a little carried away when writing it, and I’m not going to deny that the more I wrote, the hornier I got! I knew I could never show it to Mark, he’d kill me if he saw what I wrote about. If you really want to know the truth about me taking out my dick, I’ll tell it all right now. It almost didn’t happen, but I’m glad it did. The real story, my dick was getting hard, we just came out of breakfast, and I realized just how much I really missed him in the past couple of years when our relationship had faded. Everything from seeing him in the early morning up to that moment in his truck was overwhelming for me, but in a good way. I was actually trying to figure out how I was going to fix my dick so it could be hard, and he wouldn’t know. I thought about putting my hand down my pants but, two things got in the way, one, a big breakfast and two, a much bigger gut than I have today. The only way I was going to be able to fix that beast of mine was to unzip and relocate. No shitting you this time, it was a simple fact, and he caught me, so the rest is history. There was no way of hiding a hard dick, so I played it up for a laugh. And by the way, a much better position for my dick, thank you very much. That’s the real story of how it got out of my pants. Ask me if I thought that was a good enough story to write about back then. I think it’s a better story now though.

As to our desirability to each other, yes if by today’s situation, I’d doubt we’d ever get to the hike, we’d be breeding rabbits! If you’ve read enough about me, you will know I was a bit of a chunky monkey back then, but as you might remember, our hero Larry loves big guys and finds nothing unsexy about them. I actually can say, I never knew that about him. I knew he had big guys who always picked up the pieces after he was bullied and beaten up as a kid. No wonder they became his hero’s. I never thought much about my chunkiness to put it mildly, I wasn’t seeing a big guy in the mirror until my new best friend Mark gets into my life. Of course it did take time for him to reveal just how gorgeous he was under all the sloppy clothes he used to cover himself. I spent many a month trying to convince him to really look at himself in the mirror and see what he’s been trying to hide. I worked even harder on getting him to understand just how much I loved his furry body. No, he wasn’t buying that for a long time to come.

[Larry] Whoa, that’s an old story, I guess I can add something too. Everything Marc said is true about us getting past the problems I thought we had. It was me not him, I was so scared of him finding out how much I really wanted him, and I didn’t even know what I wanted to do with him, I just wanted to be with him, to trust him and I knew I could. I was so stoked about the trip and that he wasn’t mad at me or whatever was going through my head back then. We ate a lot of food in the diner. I guess we might have thought that was gonna havta hold us until we got back, we didn’t plan on a lotta food to bring with us. 

Getting to seeing his dick for the first time, and like all hard was a lot to deal with, talk to my own dick about that, and I have an even harder problem dealing with boners than him. We joked around for a while, but I kept trying to get a look at his dick and then he starts rubbing it, come on dude! I’m only fucking human! Well if you read the story my dick came out too, but he didn’t lie about that in the story, we just let our dicks calm down and back into our pants before we got there. If I only knew what was gonna happen once we got there, maybe I’d have pulled off the road and have a preview of what’s next, hahah!

By the time of the lake cabin trip, I was way cooler about my body with him, so getting naked was only the next step, we just saw each other’s boners, kinda makes everything else easy-peasy, right. Anyway, I love that story best of all. I’m so sick that the cabin was burnt down in last year’s fires. We gotta do that again one day.

[Sam & Johnny] As to my body image, that’s still a work-in-progress and I’ve got a long way to go yet.  I can see attractive aspects of my body when looking in the mirror, now.  You know, like “You’ve got some muscle definition in your arms and legs now that you’ve lost all that weight and started exercising again” or even “You’ve got a decent-sized dick since you lost that fat pad on top of it”.  But then it’s “Damn, you may have a decent-sized dick, but you might as well be a eunuch the way your dick hangs down and covers that one nut of yours!”  That’s my major body flaw that eats at me, guys, and like you said, Larry, I don’t think anybody truly knows just how much it fucks with my head to this day, not even John.

[Marcus] Sam, I was going to remove most of the personal stuff in that paragraph but decided to see what Larry had to say about it himself. You need to stop putting yourself down if you’ve learned anything from us at all. We all have flaws, including myself and Larry. We work on them, and we learn to accept what we can’t change. I too have lost some of the aforementioned dick hiding pad, and I love it! I’ve been overweight enough so as not to be able to look down at my own dick and see it! No more, I can see it! Okay, simple pleasures right, no not simple pleasures, fantastic pleasures for once in my life! And I love being seen naked now in front of the guys that we write about. They have a history going back to the sixties of doing that.

[Larry] Ya, you are right, I wondered about Tony and Pops, not so much about Bill because he’s in awesome shape for a guy over 80. I’ve been shown the pictures in the album Pops gave to Marc some time ago. Those guys were all pretty thin and in good shape, that’s why I wondered if Pops and Tony would be a little afraid of baring it all in front of us. I guess it’s just me thinking that because those guys were quick to follow our pool rules signs and stripped down fast.

[Sam & Johnny] I also enjoyed how he confessed to getting a bit horny around you and Marc and how you could understand, since you and Marcus both liked seeing Joe….and Pops, Bill and Tony…naked in the pool with you guys, too!  Seems like naked pool time at Marc’s and Larry’s place is at least gay-friendly “bro time”!  Sounds cool and HOT to me!

[Larry] Hahah, this is really funny to talk about, because I do love being around these guys when we are all naked in the pool. Funny thing though, only in the pool, outta the pool and we all are covered up with towels. Not like when it was just me and Marc, what towels, we sun dried, hahah. I can’t hide from you guys that seeing Joe naked is a turn on for me, I mean like, he’s not like everyone else around here when naked. He’s not cut, and it’s hard not to look at that big swinging dick of his, and I’m glad he’s okay with me doing that too. I try not to make a big thing about it, because I don’t want him to feel strange or different around us. I can only imagine what it would be like for him if all of us were here and naked, I’m thinking right off, that Tony would be the first to say something about the size of his dick, and Pops might be right behind him. I think Bill would have his lips zipped and listen in horror. Hahah!

[Marcus] I know you are having fun thinking about this, but you might be on to something with those guys. I’d hope Joe would be on solid ground before we unleash those men on him. Poor Joe!

[Sam & Johnny] I realize that your body hair might present a problem for you from a comfort standpoint, Larry, and you certainly don’t need me to tell you this but, still, please don’t “over-clip the hedge” will ya?  Just joking, of course, as I’m pretty sure that’d never happen with your man, Marcus, as your “manscaping consultant”.

[Larry] I did make a mention about using the hair trimming thing Ellen bought for me, hahah, it came here almost unused, but I have used it some and I let Marcus help me on the parts I can’t reach. Nah, don’t worry, I’ll never trim it down that much, I decided to trim parts that I’m self-conscious  about in public like around the shirt opening around my neck area. There’s no hairless neck on me like there is on Marcus, so I shave my neck and then trim some of the chest and back hair, so it looks more like other guys. Since I’m being so open about this, I also trim the bush back, like I’ve said before, there’s no reason to let the bush hide my dick from view, not anymore. Manscaping is fun now with a partner that wants to be a part of it with me. Too bad Ellen never thought like Marcus huh.

[Marcus] I wouldn’t worry too much about that Sam, I like my furry guy, but I understand where he’s coming from when being seen by strangers. He hates being stared at, my job is to convince him it’s because he’s so damn good looking, that’s all. Hell, if I were a stranger seeing him, I’d be all stares myself!

EVERYBODY’S FAVORITE JOE

[Sam & Johnny] Once again, I’ve spent enough my time on MY story, it’s on to your NAKED JOE, Larry! First off, you both sure do find some hot photos to illustrate your BGR posts and the shot of Joe with his long, hooded dong walking poolside with you two diving in behind him is no exception!  I love a lotta kinds of MEN, but hairy, uncut men are right up near the top of my list.  Like a lot of American men born in the ’50 and ‘60’s – you two included? – I was circumcised.  Sure wish I hadn’t been but…oh well.

[Larry] Ya, you bet we do! Mostly they came from Marc’s newTumbl site and some I found myself. That takes a lot of time to do, you know trying to find stuff that matches the story. We’d havta hire a photographer to follow us around and take pictures for the blog. Like that’s gonna happen any day soon! We’ll use the hot guys we find instead. Besides, you guys have seen parts of us over the years, but you gotta use your imagination, like Marcus always says.

The question about being cut or not, we are both cut just like Pops, Tony, and Bill, oh ya, my kid too. Found that out when he was here swimming with us. Joe is the only one uncut that I know. I’m okay with being cut, why not, we have bigger dick heads that way. IDK does that sound like I just called us “dickheads?”

[Marcus] You are a dickhead! That stuff just flows out of you unchecked sometimes. Got to love you anyway. I agree with the cut thing, glad I am, even though I think being uncut makes your dick look longer, but judging from what I’ve observed in locker rooms, Larry is right, we do tend to have bigger dick heads. See, he’s got me saying that now too! The dickhead!

[Sam & Johnny] I think it’s really cool, Larry, how you’ve become friends with Joe, and I like how you considered it an insult to call him the “pool man” because of that friendship.

[Larry] Ya I really like the dude, he’s cool and not that much younger than us. And I can talk just about anything I want to with him. IDK how that happened, really don’t know, it just happened one day, and we just could say stuff and not be embarrassed, it’s almost unreal since it took Marc and me years to get that way, and in just a few meetings I could do it with him.

[Marcus] What you aren’t saying is that you’ve changed big time in the last four years good buddy. You are nothing like the old Mark who lived next door from me for several years, and you know that. And sweetheart, I’m going to take all the blame for turning you around, so there! (Larry just made an obscene gesture to me, and I’m about ready to take him up on it!)

[Sam & Johnny]...when I came to the part in your “tale of Joe” where he brings donuts and muffins with him on his Tuesday pool day mornings, I really liked that part.  When I got to the part where he even asked Pops what kinda donuts he likes, I wrote “Cool!” in the margin!  I can sure see now why you consider the guy a good friend of yours.

[Larry] I wasn’t sure about writing about the donut thing with Joe, but he is so thoughtful. But don’t ask Marc about the sweets since he’s on a diet all the time. Now Pops, doesn’t worry about his tummy, ya, let’s call it a tummy, that’s safe if he ever reads this shit. Maybe if I get to be 83 years old I won’t worry about my tummy too hahah.

[Marcus] Okay I should get one thing straight about the diet, it’s not really a diet, it’s psychology from NOOM. And it works, at least for me it does. And there’s no bad foods, just foods that are high density calorie that will not fill you up like the low-calorie density food I do eat. I’ll eat a donut or muffin, mostly a donut since muffins are really high in calories. I just know how to cut back on other high calorie foods for the day, and I still lose weight or maintain my weight. Back to Joe, he is very thoughtful and has made a big impression on our Pops as well. I don’t know about Pops sometimes though; you never know what’s up his sleeve at times until it happens.

[Sam & Johnny] You talked about how much younger Joe looked than he really is, Larry, and how he mentioned you might look younger without your beard it got me to wondering.  Do you think you looked older when your beard was longer, and Ellen was on your ass to trim it?  How about you, Marc?  Ever grown your beard out longer?  If so, do you think it made you look older or not?

[Larry] Good questions buddy. Ya, from what Lisa and Ellen both said, my ZZ-Top style of beard did make me look a lot older. That was fine with me, I didn’t mind. There just wasn’t a lot of older people in my life back then. When I met Al and saw how he trimmed his beard, it was all I thought about for myself. Like Ellen was on my ass for years, but that didn’t count I guess, I just loved Al’s trimmed beard and tried to copy what he did. The only thing is I am a beard growing machine, like I’d havta shave twice a day to look clean shaved. When I decided to trim my beard it meant I needed to shave my cheeks and my neck, I’d do it once a day or look overgrown. I know Al loved that I trimmed my beard to match his, I know that.

[Marcus] I agree with Larry, he did look older and then looked a lot younger after he surprised me with the look. I’ve seen a picture of Larry back in his Coast Guard days, very thin and beardless, he looked thirteen to me! I like him in a beard, not so much of the style I first saw on him though. He’s too good looking to be hiding under all his beard. He never shaved any part of it, no wonder Ellen got on his case. Haha. I figure one day if we ever get away from this monster place of ours to a nice cabin in the woods, Mr. ZZ-Top will be back again. I could live with that; it might be fun playing and braiding it for me.

[Sam & Johnny] Wow, Larry!  I didn’t need to write that “Wow” in the margins as a reminder to mention your “mansex” question and answer chat with Joe!  It’s kinda hot to read about it but, even more so, it must have been touching to you for him to have trusted you enough to have asked the questions in the first place.  Like you said, it musta taken some big balls…to go with his big, uncut dick, I guess!

[Larry] Like I said, it’s just fucking easy to talk to Joe now. I’d never be able to do that if I had never met Al and became good buddies with him. I don’t think even then I could have said the stuff I do with Joe though. It’s a special kinda thing, I think we both learn shit this way. Ya, I think we both have big balls talking about the stuff we do talk about. I guess I could Google the shit, but Joe doesn’t mind talking to me and don’t think he doesn’t hit me with some good questions himself, because he does all the time. Sometimes I forget to write what we talk about, then I think, I’ve said enough already, save it for later.

[Sam & Johnny] I’d forgotten about some of that and can’t believe you had the balls to tell Joe despite him being a good friend!  Pun intended again.  I guess from my gay man’s perspective, I can’t see how even a hung jock, family man, straight bro Joe could’ve NOT gotten a hard-on as you were talking to him!  Larry, did really, truly wonder what he was talking about when he asked, “What’s it like?”?

[Larry] Man, these are hard things to answer sometimes. Joe and me, both married guys, and me a lot longer. We have kids and we think that we are straight. Well, take me outta that part, I can’t say that anymore. But Joe can. I remember being told, and I bet it was from Billy who writes us all the time, that there’s a line between totally gay and totally straight, and guys can be any place on the line. And I guess that can change sometimes. I haven’t written everything about Joe yet, so I ain’t gonna spoil what’s coming up with him. So you gotta wait and see what happens. I guess this is like a preview, hahah.

[Marcus] I have little to offer here, I promised to lay-off Joe stories, so, yeah. I’m not always with the two of them when they are looking forward to talking. However, there have been many more times when all three of us were in the conversation pit together. Personally, I love reading what Larry writes about the two of them, I think it’s hot and I’m not jealous of their friendship, I think it’s healthy for them.

[Sam & Johnny] Larry, I also really liked how Joe asked you if thought Al might not like you if he knew you were a furry guy.  The way you were able to follow Al’s advice and just “let it go” with him only at first but then more completely after talking it out with Joe.  It sounds to me like so much of your own body image was way too wrapped up in your furriness and you couldn’t see your own beautiful “forest” (your fit, muscular body) for the “trees” - your sexy man fur.

[Larry] To put it bluntly, I was a fucked-up case over body image. I’ve been hit hard on it for so many years, that I was actually depressed over it. I could have just put up with the itching and the hours of grooming it takes to shave off everything and see it start to come back in a couple of days. I had to just say no, no way. But I did hide myself so I wouldn’t need to hear comments or watch people pointing and talking about me. It was Al who said, “How did I know what they were talking about? It could have been almost anything, like how handsome I was.” Well I coulda used him in my life decades ago!

[Marcus] Mark wasn’t that hard to fix back in our early days. He listened to me and one day he started to loosen up around me, at least I was a safe zone for him, and it worked eventually. I rest my case on Joe.

[Sam & Johnny] As you told Joe that you’d gotten better over the years, but that you really didn’t think anyone really knew how fucked up your own mind was over your body, I wrote “Maybe me, Larry?” in the margin.  One can never truly know what’s going on in the mind of another, but I’m thinking my note should be changed to “Definitely Larry!”  I’ve got a lifetime of being fat, uncoordinated, socially awkward, etc. driving my own self-image and body image.

[Larry] I’ll send that comment over to Marcus.

[Marcus] No problem, I can’t say I had a lifetime of problems, but there were times and situations where it was more than awkward. I found out that I ate when I was down on myself, depressed or overwhelmed. It was the NOOM program that taught me about the various stages of hunger. Sometimes I’d just stand in front of an open refrigerator looking for something to eat, not that I was stomach hungry, it was emotional hunger. I have battled the bulge at times in my life, but to be frank with everyone, it was only after seeing the Adonis Mark for the first time without a shirt that it hit me hard. I do not look like him, never have looked like him, but sure would love to look like him! Then back to the refrigerator for something to help the gnawing stomach pain coming from knowing it will never happen.

[Larry] Well I think that’s bullshit, look at you today, you are awesome! I can’t call you thick anymore, and you aren’t afraid of joining me in the weight room, right? People can change, even old guys like you, hahah.

[Sam & Johnny] And thank you, Larry, for asking Joe for a hug.  Seems to me that that hug served not only as your thank you for Joe letting you into his life but also as a message to him that you really do care about Joe AND his family.  I think that message was a real gift to Joe and his wife when they both really needed it.

[Larry] I do like giving hugs, huh. Well why not, I get a hug back at the same time. I guess it’s all about not being touched for way too long, hugging people just helps. Joe’s a great hugger, almost as good as Marcus, but I’m thinking there’s more behind that, I’ll know soon enough. Or should I say, you’ll know more soon enough. Of course, I didn’t think I’d be writing a chapter with Marcus. But it’s fun doing this.

[Sam & Johnny] As I read your post, Larry, I was expecting a little more in-depth “dick talk” and your section, “TALKING ABOUT DICKS NOW, IT HAD TO HAPPEN, RIGHT?” did NOT disappoint.  Still, the boldness on your part in your Q&A with Joe, surprised me once again, bud!  I really like the way you guys are as easy as you are, both of you, with your “bromo” talk.  I didn’t say “so easy” because I could tell that both of you got to “jittery” points, however brief they were, in your chat.  As I said before, I’d probably had to have excused my raging boner if I’d been your shoes!  When you mentioned you coulda said “larger penis” when you told Joe you wondered what it’s like having a big dick, I just laughed to myself at that one.  C’mon, Larry, knowing what I do of you, your question would never have been worded as “larger penis”.  I figure it would’ve come out just like it did, a “bigger dick”.  Maybe a “longer dong” or “longer hose” or “longer snake”…but never a “larger penis”!  That’s “Dr. Larry, Urologist” kinda wording.

[Marcus] Haha, you are hilarious Sam!

[Larry] Every so often when I’m writing a chapter for the blog, especially when I go back and read the paragraph I just wrote, I think what would Marcus write here instead. I so want to be like him, like everything too. I love to read what he writes, but I know that some guys like what I write too. I don’t have this big pile of words to use like him, and I still use his advice to write like I talk, that’s why you see so much slang, if that’s what it’s called. I was trying to think what would a guy like Joe want to hear when talking about his penis, he is very gentle and kind and very smart too. I guess I was the only one around here that slept through my English classes. Anyway, he didn’t mind what and how I said it, I shoulda figured that out myself. (See what I mean about slang, I wrote shoulda instead of should have, but that’s how I talk. You know what, Marcus does too, but he doesn’t let you know that. Whoops TMI. Hahah.)

[Sam & Johnny] I really enjoyed the part where you talked about how you and Joe were on the same page about owning and being proud of your dick whether it’s big or small, Larry.  That and your remark about there being a “whole bunch of us that can surprise the fuck outta ya when we get hard!” inspired a “Bravo!!” in the margins from me.  Mine’s not at all impressive until it gets hard but, over the years, it’s certainly managed to elicit some compliments from my partners when it’s hard and ready for action.  Of course, the compliments that have mattered most have come from my Johnny!  I love how the two of you have helped each other work through your body image issues.  As I see it, that’s all part of truly loving someone.

Just so you both you fellas know, your descriptions of your own “goods” match my definition of a sexy package…low-hanging balls with a less-dangly, thicker dick that grows more than it shows.  Marc, this one’s for you, especially! 😉

[Larry] I’m gonna take full credit for that around here. Old Al helped me over my body issues long ago, and then Joe finished the job for me. I’ve read and heard enough about shower/grower dicks from Marcus after we had our first trip together. Like enough already, there’s nothing wrong with your fucking dick, get over it! Easy said, not so easily done for him. For me, a dick is a dick, big, small, fat, thin, if it can pee it works good enough. If there’s a problem cumming, maybe see a doctor and get some pills I guess. I remember when good old Marc had his knee replaced and the pain meds broke his dick on him. Poor guy couldn’t get a boner if I offered a zillion bucks for it. No problem for me, it was like an all-day sucker without a gag reflex happening for me. I never gave much thought to my package before living with Marcus, well that’s a fucking lie, of course I have but not something I’d talk about. Marc and me are exactly the same downstairs, including low balls. I couldn’t be happier having someone like me to look at, now I know what I look like to the other guys who hang with us. Well low balls is not so uncommon around here, I think age as something to do with it or the effect of gravity over the years, haha. Wait a minute, we match those guys balls for balls, I wonder what we will look like at 80! Ouch!

The other thing I had to work on for him was when he talked about going to the fitness gym showers and running into guys like Joe. You know, no one got to pick out the dick they wanted to have, you got what you got, learn to love your dick, it’s a lot more fun that way.

[Marcus] I agree with everything he wrote and has told me over the past few years. The one thing I learned not to do with him is make any negative comment about the size of my dick. As you our fans know, we are truly twins in that department. Well, I’m way over that problem now, and it really was more of an extra weight problem for me, now that I’ve trimmed down my weight, I don’t see that problem any more. Sam you mentioned about the surprise grower dicks have for you, and I see Larry forgot to say something, so I will. It is more fun to be a grower and see your partner’s eyes light up when it goes from, “Come out, come out wherever you are, to a big towel rack.” Yeah, that’s something to be proud of finally. (But a big swinging dick in the shower room filled with guys, still sounds better.)

Well this is the end of the Comments from Larry and Marcus over a much longer letter from Sam and Johnny that we have shown here. We did cherry pick items from their letter to respond to due to the length of a regular chapter. I hope you liked the concept, maybe we’ll do it again one day. Or if you guys have questions you’d like us to answer in this fashion, email them to us at:

 itsmarcusblog@gmail.com or itslarrybro@gmail.com 

Johnny and Sam at a Pride Celebration

Here is a link to Larry's 30th posting:

https://brosgonerogue.blogspot.com/2023/08/larrys-30th-post-stuff-you-should-know.html#more